Viking Boer13 Apr 2021 at 7:28 PM #33630
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Anonymous13 Apr 2021 at 7:28 PM #34665
Q & A.001.Thoughts on the Morality of Vaccines?
I’ve heard it said that our moral responsibility is to get vaccinated, but others say that vaccines are immoral, especially if they contain aborted fetal material. What are your thoughts on the morality of vaccines?
It is a very difficult question to answer and I’ll explain why. I find it difficult to get trustworthy information. I have had people look me square in the eye — people that I would normally trust — and say, “such and such vaccine is made with aborted fetuses.” And I’ve heard from other people or read other things that say that the same vaccination is not made that way. How would I know?
So first of all, it’s very difficult to get reliable information on this. And so, do the best you can to get the information you can. I would not go upon a casual second- or third- or fourth-hand opinion from somebody. If this is something that really concerns you or someone else, you need to do the very best research you can, number one — but then, number two, when it comes to anything that we would do for our health, such as a vaccine, I would say this: it is really up to that individual and God because we don’t have a clear command in the scriptures regarding such a thing.
There are some people who claim that this vaccine for the COVID-19 virus is the mark of the beast, which is predicted to come in the very last days, as described in the book Revelation. I strongly disagree with that. I don’t think that is true at all. Now, if something were the mark of the beast, then obviously we’re saying don’t take it. But the mark of the beast, as it is described in the book of Revelation, has to do with economic transactions— every economic transaction. It also has to do with the worship of or allegiance to the individual who is the Antichrist and/or his government. These are not factors in the vaccine that we see today.
There are people who say, “Well, it’s conditioning us for a future reception of the mark of the beast.” That may be true. I think that’s really something to talk about and think about. But the Bible doesn’t say that the vaccine itself is the mark of the beast or speak specifically to this issue.
I believe that this is a matter of Christian conscience, that Christians should get as much information as they can. They should pray as much as they can. And they should act in their conscience before God in the way that God would lead them to do.
I think I need to do a teaching on this sometime. I think we need to come to a renewed understanding of the liberty of the freedom that we have in Jesus Christ. And where the Bible does not speak specifically to something or in clear principle to something, then I believe that we need to have freedom of conscience before God to say “I will do or not do this as I believe God is speaking to my own conscience about it.” I think this is getting somewhat obscured in our present day. I hope that answers that question for you. For now. anyway. Time will tell.
Anonymous13 Apr 2021 at 7:28 PM #34666
However it is very confusing and deceiving and nobody can really tell the truth, i have seen horrid videos of what these vaccines do to you and i am not sure i would like to do that to my body, the vaccine is about monetary and government control when one thinks about it, for if you refuse you shall get no support from nowhere. You will not be able to enter a store to get food etc you will be stranded. So therefore in my mind i have to come to the conclusion that it is the mark of the beast, for we shall have no food, clothing, accomodation without this vaccine or monetary support of any kind.
Anonymous13 Apr 2021 at 7:28 PM #34667
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Anonymous13 Apr 2021 at 7:28 PM #34668
I think there are two questions you must ask yourself regarding taking the vaccine.
1. Cell-lines from abortive fetus
Find link below that describes the facts about vaccines containing this. In short cell-lines of aborted fetus was used in testing of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Johnson and Johnson and Astra Zenica does contain aborted fetus cells.
2. Short, medium and long-term effects of the vaccines.
Short-term – we have already seen some serious adverse effects which includes deaths (although the MSM has claimed that death after 15minutes is not as a result of the vaccine. So in other words if you die a half hour later it is from something else). There is no logic to this. Please take a look at my weekly update yesterday under Covid 19 for the short-term effects that have already been recorded.
Medium-term – we have no idea what the effects are because you will only find out after 6 months to a year.
Long-term – this will only become apparent after a year or more.
It remains your choice to be part of this experiment. I personally will not be part of playing Russian Roulette with my life.
Anonymous13 Apr 2021 at 7:28 PM #34669
Thank you I too will not be part of this experiment neither, I cannot understand why others are not seeing it.
As the saying goes ‘There is none blinder than the one who will not see”
Anonymous13 Apr 2021 at 7:28 PM #34670
Thank you Nat and Mel for your input.
Looking at what is happening in the world all over the globe and especially in Israel and Palestine and all the protest marches all over, we can’t miss the fact that we are living in the end times and the soon appearance and coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. People who don’t believe this will get a shock of their lives and find out what the truth is too late because they don’t know the Scriptures.
I never had any injections for flu or whatever in my life and will take my chances with this BS that is going on. By the grace of God, I don’t even know what it is to have the flu and think that I had it about 40 years ago moving from one place to another and after getting used to the weather there never again had the flu. Our bodies are made to fight it. The same against this man-made evil covid virus and the fake injection that supposedly will cure it.
I have not up-to-now heard of anything positive coming from anywhere and anybody who took the “jab” so far. Just negative reports and warnings NOT TO TAKE THE JAB.
I rest my case and rather trust in the LORD JESUS CHRIST who is my JEHOVAH RAPHA.
WE AT LLTV SHOULD SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND STAND OUR GROUND AGAINST IT.
I don’t want to lose any one of you as my friends.
We all came a long way together and should support each other in the truth as we know it.
We should pray for those who did fell ill and had no choice but to take the jab forcefully.
SHALOM and may GOD be with us all.
Lastly. I love you all and please stay safe. You are all my Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus even those who don’t believe in Him.
Can I Take a Vaccine Made from Aborted Babies?
THE FOLLOWING IS AN AUDIO TRANSCRIPT TAKEN FROM AN INTERVIEW WITH PASTOR JOHN PIPER
The pandemic has disrupted life in the States for nearly a year. And I know this disorder is felt by many of you around the world too. We are told vaccines are the key. They will end the pandemic and return us all to some sense of normalcy. But the current offering of vaccines has raised key ethical questions and prompted many emails to us from listeners
The listeners share one dilemma. Several coronavirus vaccines developed in the States and globally were made from the cell lines of aborted children — healthy children who were murdered. Most notably, this includes a fetal cell line called HEK-293, from the kidney of a healthy girl aborted in 1972, and PER.C6, from the retina of a healthy boy aborted in 1985. Apparently, these and similar cell lines have been used since the 1960s to manufacture vaccines against rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis A, shingles, hemophilia, rheumatoid arthritis, and cystic fibrosis.
In June, Science magazine reported that at least five coronavirus vaccines under development in the States were created using one of the two human fetal cell lines. But by the Fall it became clear that the two leading vaccines here in the States, those from Moderna and Pfizer — the vaccines currently being shipped — do not contain these fetal cell lines.
In the case of Moderna, this claim has since been called into question. But in either case, it was later reported that both Moderna and Pfizer used the HEK-293 cell line in the testing phase of their vaccines’ effectiveness.
So while there appears to be less of an ethical dilemma concerning the composition of the Pfizer vaccine, and possibly the Moderna vaccine, both raise yet another ethical dilemma for some pro-life people over the use of fetal cell lines in the testing phase.
As we record, ethically derived and ethically tested coronavirus vaccines are in process, but they are much slower in development and will likely be more expensive, rarer, and more difficult to get. That’s the prediction at least. So should committed pro-lifers get the fast, available, free vaccines? Or should they wait?
Pastor John, how do you think through these ethical dilemmas?
Let me make four kinds of observations, and hope and pray that these will give some guidance to our thinking and our feeling, and our actions. And I think all three of those really matter, particularly in regard to the use of human organs or human tissue harvested from the killing of unborn children. And we need to say it with words like that; otherwise, we will conceal from ourselves what’s happened.
1. We should never do evil that good may come.
First observation: in Romans 3:8, some of Paul’s adversaries accused him of “do[ing] evil that good may come.” Paul responded to this, that it was a slanderous charge. In other words, he distanced himself from that kind of ethical stance. And I think we should too. We shouldn’t do evil that good may come.
“God alone has the infinite wisdom to manage an entire world of sin in which he can turn horrible things for good.”
God alone has the infinite wisdom to manage an entire world of sin in which he can turn horrible things for wise and good purposes. He never tells us that we have such wisdom; we don’t. We are to live our lives guided by the principles he reveals in his word, not by our calculations about how much evil we can join in for some greater good.
So, if we really believe that the killing of unborn children is abhorrent to God and falls into the category of the shedding of innocent blood, for which God’s judgment fell, we should not think of turning this wickedness into a wonder drug to save our lives. We should not do evil that good may come. That’s my first observation.
2. We value Christ and his kingdom more than security or health.
Second, God frequently, in the Bible, calls us to do things and avoid things that are very costly to us personally, in order to demonstrate that Christ and his ways are more precious to us than safety or security or comfort and that we sacrifice in order to do what’s right. When we are told not to return evil for evil (Matthew 5:38–39), or that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:43–44), or turn the other cheek (Matthew 5:39), or go the extra mile (Matthew 5:41), or do good to those who hate us (Luke 6:27), all of those kinds of commands are designed to show that we are not in bondage to this world and that the deepest contentment of our lives does not flow from needing to avoid risk or show vengeance.
By denying ourselves comfort or satisfaction or safety for the sake of testifying to Christ’s value to us, and testifying to the sanctity of another person’s life, or testifying to our hope for another person’s well-being, or testifying to our confidence in God’s reward beyond the grave, when we deny ourselves in that way, we aim to exalt Christ and his ways over mere self-preservation.
So, if a scientist avoids using tissue and organs harvested from babies killed in abortion, or if an ordinary citizen avoids using a medication that they know has been developed specifically through such harvesting and research, the aim is that the Christian conscience is preserved and Christ is made much of as more valuable than any security or safety or health we might get through sin.
3. We testify to the sanctity of life.
Third, avoiding such research and avoiding the use of the products of such research is only one way of testifying to the truth and value of Christ in the sanctity of the unborn persons. But another way that should be added is the proactive engagement in whatever way we can to speak and act against the taking of innocent human life in the womb and the use of those children for research and experimentation.
So, I’m saying renunciation (that is, the avoidance part of our ethics), which is being asked about — Do we avoid the medication? — the renunciation of the use of such drugs has value. Yes, it does. And supplementing that value should also be the proactive engagement of resisting and discouraging abortion and the use of aborted babies in research.
4. God blesses principled action in his name.
And the final observation, the fourth one that I would make, is the one that’s most difficult to articulate, but maybe the most important. The observation is that acting on principle — in this case, the principle that we do not want to be complicit in the desecration of dismembered human beings — acting on principle often does not look like the most obvious way to be a blessing to the greatest number people.
“God honors the integrity and principled action that is rooted in his truth and his beauty and his worth.”
For example, if you try to act on the principle of not participating in the desecration of these children by avoiding medicines developed from their dead bodies, someone will say, “But look, look at all the good that is coming through the medication.” And they will say that they can’t see the good that may be coming from your principled action. So, what I’m saying here is this: God has ways of honoring and blessing and multiplying the effectiveness of principled action in his name, which, to the human calculation, may appear futile.
This is certainly the case with many martyrdoms in history, for example, or other kinds of sacrificial principled actions, which didn’t look like they were going to have any payoff at all for the suffering person or their family, or for the cause of Christ — just a dead-end street at the stake of suffering. The sufferers simply acted because their consciences wouldn’t let them do otherwise, while the world sees that as futile and foolish. “Just save yourself and your family and others, and stop denying yourself the privilege of life or health or prosperity.”
And my point again is this: God is God. He honors the integrity and principled action that is rooted in his truth and his beauty and his worth, even where the world cannot see the point. We have no idea what explosive effects, in the depths of God’s providence and purposes, our principled action might unleash by God’s grace.
So, I’m saying, let’s not act as researchers or as ordinary consumers in a way that desecrates the bodies of unborn victims and treats those children as though they can be killed and their tissue harvested for our benefit.
THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS
PLEASE STAY SAFE
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